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Turbobusa · Nov 04, 2008, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by Miss H O T

radiant deals most damage, but i can see why u'd take it out, but ive got a zealous scythe, and i kinda never run out of energy, so it really works for me!

Well I prefer spamming wounding strike/malicious/mystic (you nearly always have one ready to use), it overall deals more damage (to me), you can spam asura scan without worrying about lowering radiant scythe's damage because you spend energy...

I don't really like this skill.

Stealth Bomberman · Nov 04, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

10 sec recharge and again, not armor ignoring.

never said [Chilling [email protected]] was armor ignoring and i know its long recharge i was stating a point. [Moebius [email protected]]+[Death [email protected]] spam gets boring excuse me if i like variety.

Bobby2 · Nov 05, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

never said [Chilling [email protected]] was armor ignoring and i know its long recharge i was stating a point. [Moebius [email protected]]+[Death [email protected]] spam gets boring excuse me if i like variety.

LOL.

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Originally Posted by You, again

MS is definetly not armor ignoring/ DB is powerful but not armor ignoring. armor ingnoring=smiting/holy dmg. AoHM=armor ignoring/scythesins w/AoHM>MS/DB.

PS yaaay for Code!

Unreal Havoc · Nov 05, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Stealth you lost this one. I still can't believe you said MS/DB wasn't armour ignoring, lol.

greenreaper3 · Nov 05, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Crit Scythe Owns. If your a hero lover (like me) you should try this out some time.

You - A/D

[Reaper's [email protected]][Mystic [email protected]][Eremite's [email protected]][Aura of Holy Might][Critical [email protected]][Critical Agility][Way of the [email protected]][Asuran Scan]

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greenreaper3 · Nov 05, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Hero 1 - N/Mo

[Icy [email protected]][Signet of Lost [email protected]][Judge's [email protected]][Balthazar's [email protected]][Smite [email protected]][Smite [email protected]][Reversal of [email protected]][Strength of [email protected]] (Shift-Cancel Strength so he doesn't remove)

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greenreaper3 · Nov 05, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Hero 2 - Rt/Mo

[Mend Body and [email protected]][Spirit [email protected]][Optional Slot][Ancestor's [email protected]][Splinter [email protected]][[email protected]][Offering of [email protected]][Flesh of My [email protected]]

greenreaper3 · Nov 05, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Optional Should be replaced with [Remove Hex],unless it is not a hex heavy area, go with [Spirit [email protected]]

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Hero 3 - Bring whatever you think would be best for the patircular Mission/Vanquish/Anything else you are doing.

greenreaper3 · Nov 05, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

P.S. Sorry about posting 4 different times (5 now :P), it wouldn't let me load that many picutres all in one post.

Luminarus · Nov 06, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

Hmmm, i like scythe sins, I dont think running those heroes is necessarily the best idea though.

Stealth Bomberman · Nov 06, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Stealth you lost this one. I still can't believe you said MS/DB wasn't armour ignoring, lol.

iight lemme clear some things up:

I was refering to death blossoms non-armor ignoring effect to single targets

against adjacent foes, yes i know its armor ignoring. but against 1 foe it only gets the +dmg.

Bobby2 · Nov 06, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

iight lemme clear some things up:

I was refering to death blossoms non-armor ignoring effect to single targets (wat?)

against adjacent foes, yes i know its armor ignoring. but against 1 foe it only gets the +dmg.

And the +dmg is armor ignoring.

Stealth Bomberman · Nov 06, 2008, 04:32 AM // 04:32

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

And the +dmg is armor ignoring.

wow, ok last post and i give up. if u have 14 dagger mastery, dmg against adjacent foes with DB will be 43 armor ignoring.

ur +dmg which at 14 dagger will be +43-44 i think which hits a single target for that +dmg. thats not armor ignoring.....if it was armor ignoring the skill would say deal 43-44 dmg to target foe would it?

idk if thats just me or if im misreading skill. if it says +dmg (deal +43 dmg to target foe) i dont consider it armor ignoring. if it says just dmg (deal 43 dmg to target foe) yes its armor ignoring.

its just like saying eviscerate which does around +30 something at 14 axe M. is armor ignoring which we all know isnt.

FlamingMetroid · Nov 06, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

base weapon damage takes armor into consideration, bonus damage from a skill does not. If you had a pair of 0-0 daggers and used Death Blossom at 14 dm, it would always deal 43 damage.

Stealth Bomberman · Nov 06, 2008, 04:55 AM // 04:55

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

base weapon damage takes armor into consideration, bonus damage from a skill does not. If you had a pair of 0-0 daggers and used Death Blossom at 14 dm, it would always deal 43 damage.

yea to adjacent foes.

Bobby2 · Nov 06, 2008, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

wow, ok last post and i give up.

Please.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

if u have 14 dagger mastery, dmg against adjacent foes with DB will be 43 armor ignoring.

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

ur +dmg which at 14 dagger will be +43-44 i think which hits a single target for that +dmg. thats not armor ignoring.....if it was armor ignoring the skill would say deal 43-44 dmg to target foe would it?

1: +damage is always AL ignoring.
2: So, no.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

idk if thats just me or if im misreading skill. if it says +dmg (deal +43 dmg to target foe) i dont consider it armor ignoring. if it says just dmg (deal 43 dmg to target foe) yes its armor ignoring.

Not misreading, you simply misunderstand the mechanics of attack skills.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

its just like saying eviscerate which does around +30 something at 14 axe M. is armor ignoring which we all know isnt.

Evis, like many attack skills, deals 2 'parts' of damage, being:

- base weapon damage, which is not AL ignoring.
- +damage, which is always the stated amount despite a foe's AL.

So what you presume everyone knows... just isn't correct.

Stealth Bomberman · Nov 06, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

1: +damage is always AL ignoring.

ooo so now were talking about AL ignoring dmg eh?

in that case yes, all +dmg atks do AL ignoring dmg.

what i was stating is that u guys thought (and again i may have misunderstood), that all +dmg atks were armor ignoring meaning doing a set amount of dmg everytime.

im done.

Turbobusa · Nov 06, 2008, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Hmmm, i like scythe sins, I dont think running those heroes is necessarily the best idea though.

Nah I do the same on my crit sin, except I just grab 1 Rt/Mo smiter.
It really improves you killing power.

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yea to adjacent foes.

No, the +43-44 to your target is also armor ignoring.

Unreal Havoc · Nov 06, 2008, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

I was refering to death blossoms non-armor ignoring effect to single targets

Death Blossom deals bonus damage to single targets which is armour ignoring + weapon damage which is non armour ignoring.

Must follow an off-hand attack. If it hits, Death Blossom strikes target foe for +20...40 damage and all adjacent foes take 20...40 damage.

As you can see Death Blossoms damage to non AoE targets is clearly stated as +damage. Testing on the Master of Damage confirms this.

Super Igor · Nov 06, 2008, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Ms/DB is still better than scythe sins, it has greater damage both on target and aoe also aint killed so much by ench strips. Yeah scythe sins are good but I never been a great fan of them tbh. :P

Also DB is armor ignoring, also, IV on HM is bad.